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no fee to sleep but i accept donations??

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no fee to sleep but i accept donations??

we wanted to be hosts of Mr.David Munusamy, north of Malasia, but surprise!when we cheked his web site it was in big and red letters that there is no fee to stay with him, but he "accept" donations....
We think as cycling travellers and warmshowers for now 2 years, This is something that should be forbidden and it goes against the spirit of Warmshowers.

Thanks.
Isi & Zaida
www.getjealous.com/isidro

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no fee to sleep but i accept donations??

Agreed!!!!!!!!!!!! This is totally unacceptable.

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A heavily-used guest home in the third world may be different.

If you look at the list of cycle tourists that have stayed with David, and the rave reviews they give of him, it may be better to look at this situation as one of an incredibly generous host who is open about the fact that a little support may help.

I've always felt that when traveling in the developing world, cyclists from richer countries should be sensitive to the financial situations of the gracious hosts who welcome them, and perhaps help with some financial support.

An example: Lucho's famous Casa de Ciclistas in Trujillo, Peru will accept some donations. They have no way to keep the place up without some donations, I don't think. Lucho earns a tiny fraction every year of what most first-world cyclists will earn in the first month they're working back home. And yet cyclists stay with him for weeks and months (one stayed a year). No charge. But sure, isn't it a no-brainer that everybody should figure out something to contribute to the Casa? There's no requirement of this, but isn't it OK to let it be known that some contributions keep the place going?

When traveling in the US, I try to bring a beer or fix dinner, but would be unlikely to offer to help financially. But in countries or with hosts that aren't as affluent, maybe I can figure out how to defray a small part of the costs of running the place.

I don't think it's all that bad for David to mention this. It doesn't violate the rules, as he's not requiring payment. And for a busy host who is providing a guesthouse, it may make a beautiful service to cyclists available which would not be sustainable otherwise.

We should all be sensitive to the economic realities of our hosts, especially when traveling in countries or staying with hosts who have less financial resources.

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Thanks to robert/m and rfay to understand my situation.

Here I have to say somethings, I don't like to mention or put in words. It may hurt feeling of someone I hosted. But I have to say. My English is not Good. I try to write the best I can.
I start to hosting cyclist after my first trip by bike to Thailand. I pick them on road No.1 if I see them cycling.Invite them to my house and ask them to stay a day or two. If they meet other cyclist they will introduce me to them. Past 6 year I have hosted more them 200 cyclist all over the world. First few of them I had spend Rm50 to Rm60 each person some time more. My hobby hosting I don't mind spending. I don't demand money or donation from them. Most of them will give some money.
Now I mention I ascept donation but how many people are donateing, if they give I take if not I don't ask.
I am a bike tourist money we have to control. Sometime long time travelers or
students I will never take. Those cyclist or pacbpackers have stay with me knows me very well.what I am doing here. I wish I would like to hear some comment about me from cyclist I have hosted or meet them on road. Thanks.
When I was cycling in Europe 10 countries for 80 days. I only manage to get 8 cyclist only. Many of them are not around I can't complain about this to anyone.

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Sama-sama

Selamat pagi, Apa khabar?

First of all David, your English is much better than my Tamil, Malay, Hawken, Bruneian, Mandarin Urdu or Hindi, so don’t worry about that. Secondly, I do not believe there is another warmshower member that has hosted 200 cyclists in 6 years! This is most impressive. If you spent an average of 55 Malaysia Ringgits on only half of your guests, that is well over 1,700, USD, and that is nearly two months of the average Malaysian income. This is really generous and a much larger financial outlay then I can imagine to have the privilege of hosting cyclists. From what I understand on your European trip you were hosted a total of 8 times. I hope your hosts were as generous as you.

I am also impressed with your ambassadorship for Malaysia by exposing travelers to three major cultures of your country. This is what makes cycle cycling touring the best means of seeing the world. For me, you are a great example of a warmshowers host. While I understand that bad experiences can make some members afraid of anyone mentioning “donations accepted”, I am certain that when warmshower members read your profile and learn of your passion for cycling and helping cycle tourists, they will not confuse or compare you with the other so-called “hosts” that aggressively ask for money.

If you are ever back in Europe please feel free to come to Jary Poland. And yes, I am asking you for a donation! I grow hot peppers, the hotter the better. So if you can bring me some Malaysian Goronong seeds, it would be great! I’ve been looking for them for years.

Selamat jalan!

Robert Mink
Jary Poland via Spokane USA

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no fee to sleep but...? Misunderstanding in Malaysia

I REALLY agree with rfay on this point. Did I say I REALLY AGREE WITH RFAY? It looks like this gent is a real good host and if I was in his place, I really would be offended with the accusation that I was somehow violating the sprit of the warmshowers network.

While it would be a bit gauche groveling for groszy in Europe and in the developed countries, the economic situation is much different in many parts of the world. Plus warmshowers is a reciprocal hospitality network. There are a lot more westerners taking advantage of the generous hosts in Malaysia, Mexico and other such countries than such guests visiting us. Isi & Zaida, just for clarification you wished to be guest of David Munusamy, and not hosts of course. Myself, a donation to keep a cycling refuge open would be a really small price to pay, heck it’s Malaysia! Here is a host that requires no payment but asks for voluntary contributions so he can keep helping other touring cyclists. It’s not like he’s surreptitiously luring in unfortunate travelers to sock them with a bill!

There is one thing that I find unattractive about some of us touring folk, the smug feeling of entitlement and the “we are on a mission” mentality. As if our rotating tires function as prayer wheels generating good karma and obligations from the population at large. I really enjoy hosting cyclists, but there is that 1% who think by bouncing on their brooks, they are entitled to special consideration. This leaves one feeling a bit taken advantaged of. Fortunately the vast majority of warmshower members are great guests!

And rfay, warmshower hosts in Poland won’t accept money, but a beer is always appreciated!

Robert Mink
Jary Poland via Spokane USA

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A different point of view

Thank all of you for your comments, of course every person has their own oppinion about the world and how things should work, but a question: because we come from Spain is not a little bit to risky to think I have money or presupose our economic-life situation? on the other way, how do you know this person does not have money? Malasya is not consider 3th world at all...anyway, this is not the dicussion.
To make publicity of a "guest house" or tours, there are specialized websites or tourist information places, but we consider Warmshowers is not the correct place. I don't know personally This man, but we had experiences like this before, and is not very confortable to have all the time someone behind you, "hosting you", trying to sell you things or asking for "donations". Simply we think Warmshowers has a different philosophy.
PD: we are more than happy to cook, or invite for beers or meals to everyone, but not feeling as an obligation.
PD: we have been hosts many times as well back in Spain.
Thanks again for the oppinions.

Isi & Zaida

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PD

Sorry, one more thing:
NO ONE IS OBLIGATED TO BECOME A HOST OF WARMSHOWERS.
if someone consider visitors are taking advantage of a situation, is as simple as close your account.
Thanks again.

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why close account?

I have been a member of warmshowers for over 13 years. I mentioned in my missive that I have had very good experience with warmshower guests. I also pointed out that that only 1% of the people I've hosted left a bad impression. For example having a private party in my guest room (drinking and smoking pot, hey, I have a patio for that, don’t bogart that joint my friend!), not returning books/maps I have loaned from my extensive collection I save especially for touring cyclists (I provided self addressed envelopes to make it easier to send back so I can share them again), or simply treating the premises as a cheap pitstop. Several hosts have brought up similar issues in this forum, here are some examples among dozens:
http://www.warmshowers.org/content/not-so-welcome-guests

I do not suggest these hosts close their accounts, nor will I after all these years because of a few ingrates. I am sure that you are both charming guests that are always welcomed to Jary Poland! No donations requested nor accepted, well except for a lolly for my daughter of course.. ok a barrel of Spanish wine (but only if you carried it on your bike on the rear rack not trailer), maybe an autographed copy of Los cuatro jinetes del Apocalipsis (first edition please) tapas dinner..:)