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Politeness level of requests

There was a recent post "Warm showers has changed. It feels like airBNB? ". Though I did have the strange experiences of Sarah/Neil, yesterday I received the following request:

"Lodging
We are in Dresden. Is your lodging open for tonight?"

That was not a part of the request. That was all. I haven't seen anything like that before. Furthermore, though people were members for a few years, they had no picture, no feedback, little information, and set themselves unavailable until 2021. I saw the request to late anyway, nevertheless, I decided to refuse anyone who doesn't keep at least a minimum level of politeness in the request, e.g.

1. Starting with "Hello Dirk" or similar
2. Explaining briefly who they are and where they are touring
3. Asking politely for the accommodation.

I would be interested how others are dealing with requests. What are your minimum standards? Or am I just an ageing guy who doesn't understand that Twitter-like communication has become a standard since Trump is President?

Unregistered imaginea utilizatorului anon_user
Minimum standards?

If you follow the WS-forum, you will see that the members are part of the normal life all over the world: very different.
Some people use undetermined standards as "the vast majority likes..., the common cyclist does....",etc., as kind of statement that you actually should adapt to that.

How people show their politeness in the contact between host/guest, probably depends on these personal standards.
WS proposes some rules in the FAQ. Just a guideline. Nothing more, nothing less.

If you are very clear in your conditions as host, you never can prescribe how potential guests approach you by mail.
It's simple: If you don't like the tone, you just reject the request.
Nobody ever has to host anybody and a host never has to explain why the guest is not welcome.
By saying "No", you are polite enough.

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I have been hosting on

I have been hosting on internet hospitality exchange platforms since 2003, a time well before Twitter. There have always been occasional requests like that – along with empty profiles – so I personally would not take this as a sign that politeness on Warm Showers is in serious decline. After all, if this is the first time you've seen this kind of request, it must mean that most of the requests you are receiving are more detailed ones.

I am sometimes reluctant to call those super-short requests impolite. Often they come from people with poor English skills, and that is about all they can manage in written form when they have to urgently sent out requests, but when they arrive at your home they are great guests. Inversely, some of my worst guests have been those who had sent me polite, detailed requests.

But also, sometimes people mistakenly treat hospex messaging as a live chat. If you had answered "Yes" or "Maybe" to what they wrote, they may well have followed up with a long description of who they are and what route they are following.

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Fantastic

We have just come across warm showers and it seems fantastic. I have seen so many positive comments and we have already had some great help and feedback about our planned trip.
I will report back when we return early in September (2017), but in the meantime, stay positive. Even if there are one or two who are not behaving as well as they should, report the incidents and don't let it negatively impact on this great idea and community.

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As someone else already

As someone else already mentioned it may be an issue of inadequate English skills. But even for someone whose English isn't very good that one liner seems a bit presumptuous and would make me feel like we're being treated like a hotel. If they were able to send a request they would also have had access to Google Translate to send a more polite message. I've been to 26 countries and, at least in the countries I visited, politeness standards were fairly similar and respectful.

The more personal and polite the request the more likely we are to accept. A one liner like the one you received would result in us most likely declining to host. The exception might be if they're obviously from an area where the language they're trying to use is not widely spoken; they have an interesting profile; and some positive feedback to mitigate the lack of communication/technical/language skills.

The three items you listed are extremely reasonable in my mind and have formed part of civilized conversation for a very, very long time. Or maybe that's just my German/Canadian upbringing.

I don't believe age has anything to do with it either. We're both in our early to mid 50's but most of our guests have been in their 20's and 30's and they, so far, have all been able to communicate clearly and politely in line with the three things you listed.

In the end, we're all individuals with our own criteria. So you set your own requirements in your own home.

...Michelle

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politeness seems cheaper

In a lot of countries this wellknown message is shown in (small?) restaurants considering the matter of guest behaviour.
A price list says in the language of the country::

Beer!!! € 6,00
A beer!! € 5,00
I want beer! € 4,00
Can I have a beer? € 3,00
Can I have a beer, please? € 2,00
Can I have a beer, please? (With a smile) € 1,00

Apparently some guests (all over the world) have to be educated again. Politeness has nothing to do with a lack of knowledge of the local language.
C'est le ton qui fait la musique.
Next to that: the body language.
Everywhere in the world.

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Regarding the language skill

Regarding the language skill comments - the request came from a US couple, native speakers probably.

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I stand corrected. "Is your

I stand corrected. "Is your lodging open?" struck me as a very non-native way of writing.

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If it came from a native

If it came from a native English speaker then they obviously weren't well schooled in basic courtesy, or they have a serious lack of understanding what this site is all about at the most basic level. I'm reluctant to even excuse non-native speakers since we have so much technology at our disposal that can bridge language barriers.

Being from the US doesn't mean they're native English speakers but I think your instinct to not want to host them is probably right.

This seems to be a very isolated incident and I wouldn't worry about it too much.

...Michelle

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> Being from the US doesn't

> Being from the US doesn't mean they're native English speakers

Their given names on their profile both seem English, their surname is European (non-English), but that doesn't mean anything. Their profile is in perfect English (as far as I can judge as a non-native speaker). In any case, they don't have serious trouble with the language.

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Now that's a pricing

Now that's a pricing structure I can live with. I wonder what the price would be if I, as a stereotypical Canadian, also apologize at the same time.

...Michelle

WS Member imaginea utilizatorului Ronnie Bowlin
Politeness

SUzy Prenger here - Ronnie's wife.  I love this list of charges for beer!  We are going to implement a similar list for the tutoring help I do with students, as they are rudely demanding at times! Thank you.

As for rude requests, happy to report we have had only one of many. Upon further research, we realized the message was not from a warmshowers member, but someone who had been given our email from another cyclist. We tend to decline those as, sadly, there have been a couple of bad experiences of others with those not really committed to the values of warmshowers. Cheers all.  And we will get to posting that picture. Our bad.

WS Member imaginea utilizatorului Ronnie Bowlin
Politeness

SUzy Prenger here - Ronnie's wife.  I love this list of charges for beer!  We are going to implement a similar list for the tutoring help I do with students, as they are rudely demanding at times! Thank you.

As for rude requests, happy to report we have had only one of many. Upon further research, we realized the message was not from a warmshowers member, but someone who had been given our email from another cyclist. We tend to decline those as, sadly, there have been a couple of bad experiences of others with those not really committed to the values of warmshowers. Cheers all.  And we will get to posting that picture. Our bad.

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I just had another thought.

I just had another thought. Maybe they are indeed clueless about Warmshowers and truly thought that this is a "lodging" site for a fee? In which case the one line request wouldn't be quite as inappropriate.

Just thinking out loud.

Anyway, time to move on and find that 1Euro beer.

...Michelle

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Agree

I have had about 3 similar requests (all three were from people who got my unpublished phone number from a previous guest they met on the road, one 3 weeks later.). Basically the initial text was "we are 3-6 hours out from Tulsa on our bike tour, are you available?" Don't define quantity of "we", no name, link to WS (had to ask how they got my number as I specifically tell prospective guests to contact me though the website where I do not list my number), etc. So after deciding we were "unavailable", I texted them back asked who they were, how many, etc. so I could see if I could help further. All three responded with variations of just "Thanks:"

I don't know if they were young, old, native, foreign, etc.. as none of them "identified" themselves further. To me, just sort of rude in that they "expect" it somehow. Even if this is normal behavior in other countries, people really should try to remember to "when in Rome, do as the Romans do". Sort of like when eating in some countries, it is considered rude for the restaurant staff to present the bill before being asked for it but here it is normal.

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If they got your phone number

If they got your phone number from a previous guest, they may have been under the impression that your home is generally open to any cyclist who comes along. One encounters these kinds of places occasionally: in South America there are the so-called casas de ciclistas, and several times on our long tour there we would meet a cyclist coming in the opposite direction who was keen to give us the phone number of the hosts that he had just stayed with, as he knew it would make things easier for us. In Europe I know a number of travel-obsessed or alternative people whose homes are open to any hitchhiker or cyclist who comes along – you don’t need to be on a hospitality exchange website with a "profile" and "references" to stay there. I personally would really like my own home to be such a place, so I keep my phone number on my WS profile and encourage guests to share it with whatever other travelers they think are coming this way.

So, when you began to ask questions, it may be that they realized there was a misunderstanding, that you weren't such a universally welcoming host after all, so they decided to simply say "Thanks" and make other arrangements. That's just my guess. Did you write to your earlier guest and express your chagrin that he gave your phone number out?

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Must admit, I am not "such a universally accepting" host

Christopher,

While I understand your point about the guest who offered my number (probably trying to be helpful) and possibly the impression I was some sort of Casa de Cyclist (CdC), which I doubt, my point is that the initial communication, which they initiated, was "I'm arriving in a few hours, are you available?" To me, that comes across as impolite and/or rude. I would never ask someone, or even SA's CdCs, that way. Since they did not offer any other information (at bare minimum how many), I felt under no obligation to host. After I said no, I then asked them in the same text about the other info in case I wanted to change my mind or steer them to someone/place who could possibly help, but go no response other than thanks. One did say who offered the number. The guy who offered the number was a nice young Australian. Perhaps I was "not universally welcoming" but I felt there was no politeness (be "welcoming" on their part) in their initial inquiry, only expectation.. No "Hey, I got your number from John Doe. I know it is last minute, but sure would appreciate it if you could host my girlfriend and I (or at least identify who "we" is) tonight. Thanks for considering, Joe Blow", just do you have availability. This is not SA or Europe, nor have I promoted myself as an alternative lodging facility. This is the USA, Again, When in Rome.

Unlike you, I do not desire "whatever other travelers" that come along. I have stayed in some of the alternative lodging facilities during my travels and while most are fine, a couple weere just creepy (blatant drug use, sex in the open, etc.) but they WERE a known alternative facility. This is my _home_, not a hotel or some alternative free lodging facility. I only want guests that will treat my family and home with courtesy, respect, & kindness in exchange for hosting them. It's called Manners and is something some people seem to be missing. Basically, treat others the way you want to be treated.

As you probably know, there can be some rather interesting, bizarre, or just plain totally-opposite-of-you people who tour. I have hosted in my 40 years of riding a wide variety of them. Before there was WS, there was a typed written list that would be mailed (not emailed as this was in the 70s & 80s) quarterly so I have been doing this awhile. Almost every guest we have had has been grateful and courteous. Even if I were a CdC like in SA, I would still expect guests to be have manners.

I did not write the previous guest, he really didn't do anything terribly wrong. However, those that stay with me now, I do ask them that if they meet another cyclist who THEY feel THEY would host to let the other cyclist know he or she is free to contact me via the WS website. Just show some manners. Best, John

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I daresay that most

I daresay that most communication to an open community begins with those very short questions. Why? First of all, SMS is not a medium conducive to longwinded salutations. Better to just quickly establish whether lodging is available, and then when you get there, then you can introduce yourselves and utter your effusive thanks. Secondly, if you are going by phone numbers received from another cyclist, a lot of such hosts are not even present on site at the time of your stay, or they are very busy and not very interested in interacting with guests. The only reason they stay so enthusiastic about hospex and give out their phone numbers is because they know how to maintain their personal space and not burn out. When touring, we have met several WS superhosts and casas de ciclistas proprietors like this, and I know loads more from other communities. So, why go to the trouble to make a long introduction in your first message if the host might not even particularly care about you?

Some of the people on this forum have very strong demands for politeness. However, it is worth remembering that your standards are not universal. I personally do not see anything impolite about ultra-brief requests. When I get a brief request, invite the person over, find they are pleasant company and appreciative, contributing guests, then who the hell are you to tell me this person is impolite and should have never sent out that first message? "Basically, treat others the way you want to be treated." Well, I definitely want to be treated with a minimum of formality – don't waste my time – and the guest can demonstrate their "politeness" or lack thereof after they get to my home.

"This is not SA or Europe. This is the USA, Again, When in Rome."

This is a curiously defensive response. You think there aren't any such hosts in the US? Many superhosts in Europe and the former USSR are affiliated with the Rainbow Family, with traditions that are ultimately an import from the USA with a dash of local flavour. Granted, I have never cycle-toured in the US, but I have hitchhiked there extensively, and found the same open communities scattered here and there as anywhere else.

Naturally, it's your home, your rules, and your lifestyle and that is all fine, no one is demanding that you be any different. But as I said, I think that the people who messaged you misunderstood how things work in your home. You are misassigning blame here. If someone gets a phone number being passed around, it's completely normal to assume that the host is cool and laid back, maybe even one of those hosts who gets annoyed by guests saying "please" and "thank you" too much. If the host isn't like that, then his phone number shouldn't have been given so freely, and you ought to direct your upset at that initial guest of yours who gave them your number.

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Christopher,

Christopher,

Your thinking gives me a good chuckle, bless your heart! I am not assigning blame. Just saying why I did not accept them, i.e. their lack of manners. I interpreted their limited text as very impolite though I agree they most likely did not mean to be impolite intentionally. Unlike you it seems, it is completely normal for society to expect people to show some local customs and manners regardless of how that person views the world or the person they are dealing wtih. I have traveled the world fairly extensively (51 countries) and not once have I interpreted someone being offended for me attempting to show manners and being polite. Come on, if you try real hard you can say it, the people were impolite. Best to you, John

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This isn't a matter of

This isn't a matter of different countries, this is a matter of different subcultures within those countries. "Not once have I interpreted someone being offended for me attempting to show manners and being polite." Well, come stay at my place, and I would look at you funny for being all formal. I willingly host the occasional middle-aged person with very staid, traditional "manners", but they are definitely my least rewarding guests. I can also still painfully and vividly remember the shame I felt over a decade ago when I first stayed with a hospex superhost, and he rebuked me in front of everyone for my saying "thank you" all the time: he wanted guests at his place to feel like they were in their own home, and being very polite killed the chill-out atmosphere he was aiming for.

"Come on, if you try real hard you can say it, the people were impolite."

As I said above, who the hell are you to tell me what I should feel about guests that I myself would have no problem dealing with?

I would expect you to have more understanding of the diversity of views in hospex. After all, you yourself write on your profile that you understand that guests are tired and you let them go do their own thing after dinner, while there are others on this very forum who expect guests to interact with them continually during their stay, and anything less would be rude. Just let people be themselves; if you don't like a request, you can always turn it down, but making judgements about the requester does nothing for the spirit of harmony and tolerance on this network.

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"he rebuked me in front of

"he rebuked me in front of everyone for my saying "thank you" all the time: he wanted guests at his place to feel like they were in their own home, and being very polite killed the chill-out atmosphere he was aiming for."

...hmmm, I obviously wasn't there myself to share that experience and maybe I'm missing some context or your definition of rebuke is milder than I think. But the way you worded it he doesn't strike me as being very chilled-out. Being uptight about someone not being "polite" is really no different than being uptight and sharply criticizing (definition of rebuke) someone for not being "chilled-out" enough. They're all very subjective notions and don't merit rebuking or shaming someone in front of others in most cases.

If someone can't feel "chilled-out" because someone else doesn't live up to their definition of "chilled-out", then maybe they're not as "chilled-out" as they think they are.

...live and let live

...Michelle

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No, in retrospect I was very

No, in retrospect I was very definitely in the wrong. After staying at a lot such hosts over the years, I learned that the specific vibe they aim for is extremely important to the long-term viability of the hosting, to a high thoroughput of guests, and also ensuring the project remains financially self-sustaining. Personally, I don’t mind if a few uptight hosts leave a hospex network because they complain that requesters are impolite. You could never ultimately rely on or trust those hosts anyway. But to lose a place that has hosted hundreds or thousands of people already, and you know they are always there for you? That would be a major blow to the traveling world. So, I am ashamed I acted insufferably towards that host and rocked the boat.

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Christopher,

Christopher,

You are as bad as I am when it comes to telling (judging) people how they should feel about the guests. Anyway, manners and being laid back vs. formal have nothing in common. You can have manners and be the most laid back easy going person in the world and you could be the most formal, etiquette bound, "staid, traditional" person and be a total jerk wiht no manners. Politeness and manners are never wrong. The example you gave is that you tried to do the polite thing and say thank you. The host publically rebuked (awfully harsh and poor manners) you and you adopted his wishes since it was his facility. You did the right thing. However, you are judging me as well but you fail to see that or are just hypocritical. Maybe you accept EVERY request, if so glad that works for you. I do not. I make some JUDGEMENT calls as to whom I will accept into my home. However, one very basic and generally accepted criteria in almost every situation by the vast majority of the world is to be polite.

I will let you get the last word, as I am now done debating with you whether the OP was wrong in his perception. In my opinion, he was perfectly right, the request was impolite.. If you disagree, that is what makes the world a cool place to go tour and meet others different than you.

Again, I wish you the best, John

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Basically, treat others the way you want to be treated.

Quote:"Basically, treat others the way you want to be treated."

Great proverb, great attitude in daily life.
I love that principle!

However, this only works if two people are in equal, or comparible situations.
A host and a guest are actually in an opposite situation.
The host offers hisher place confirming his idea´s and rules clearly described in the host's profile.
The guest accepts this host’s way of hosting.
Result: Two happy people in most cases. (Hurray for WS…!)

If this same guest is a host at home, he/she probably can have quite different, own idea’s, rules about hosting, also clearly described in the profile.

We, my partner and I, speak from our own, long experience.
We really don’t care what the host offers.
We often live on a minimum life style on the road and accept without any problem any minimum by a WS-host.
However, if I accept a WS-guest, I use “my way of hosting”.
And that is not “any minimum”. Clearly described in our profile and I don't want to change it.

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Just a thought

"Good manners never go out of style"

Philip Robinson
Seattle, WA

WS Member imaginea utilizatorului aslowtrip
Looks like ppl confuse airbnb

Looks like ppl confuse airbnb with couchsurfng/warmshowers a lot. They actualy asked you as if you are a hotel. Insane

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Acknowledging your email

Hello

Is it me or do others find it impolite when you are sent a msg from a person asking for a place to stay and you reply with im sorry i'm unable to host you ( i work night shifts so can only host on my days off) but give suggestions of alternatives in your area and then you never get a reply to acknowledge your email or to thank you? If a host tells me I am unable to stay at theirs I always thank them for their reply. I think this is basic manners.

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No Gay, you are not wrong.  I

No Gay, you are not wrong.  I believe basic manners are becoming more and more scarce, even amongst WS guests and hosts.  The world is rapidly becoming "all about me".  Just keep doing what you are doing and don't let it bother you (too much) that others don't seem to have manners.  Tailwinds,John

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Hi Karen, as for your: "If a

double post

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Hi Karen, as for your: "If a

@Hi Karen, as for your: "If a host tells me I am unable to stay at theirs I always thank them for their reply. I think this is basic manners." - We do think as them as basic manners too and always do so too do too!

When a you ask a perfect stranger weather he can host you, replies to you with a no (and alternative of a good luck wish). You should thank the host because he toke the time to answer. 
Even more so because the reply rates of hosts have been poor on Warmshowers late. Yup like John and Ken we think good manners never get out fashion. But some of us think they do or never thought of them as fashion. 

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@all others in this treath : Afther yet another not appropriate request (this time from a credit card traveler who did not bother using our names in the request nor had red our profile and so on)  which we always aswer with a no sorry we can't host your we decided to change our profil  and started giving feedback to these requesters. Its hard as one doesn't want to be un inviting to those who are true cyclers and warmshower users. We changed our profil to be very specific about the guests we welcome. Before we only gave positive feedback as we had only positive experiences with hosts and guests. But now we started to give negativ or neutral feedback as well to requesters and maybe hosts in future. We dont really understand why not more people provide feedback. Not as a way to thank you a host or guest but as a way to help other future hosts and guests. Besides that by not giving feedback to your host you are also not helping him to make a good impression with his hosts when traveling. 

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Since when are credit card

Since when are credit card tourers not welcome on WarmShowers? I have hosted several cyclists who were traveling without camping gear, and they were great guests. Of course, as a host you can choose to host whoever you want, but a request from a credit-card tourer is not in itself inappropriate.

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You answered your question

Christopher, the first part of your last sentence answers your question.  If the host, for whatever reason, does not want credit card tourists, does not want cyclists who wear red jerseys, or only wants those who wear only red jerseys, that is perfectly fine.  It is the Host's home.  Why have you had such a hard time over the past two years understanding this simple concept?  Quit trying to put YOUR preferences onto other people when that person is only offering their home, not yours.  And the request is totally appropriate.  You may not like it but it is fine.  The exact same as if a single woman host does not want a male as a guest.  The only difference is the host's preference.

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John, what you don’t seem to

John, what you don’t seem to understand here is that the host there initially called the very request inappropriate. Sure, hosts are perfectly free to turn down any requests they get for any reason. However, it is also completely appropriate for even a credit-card tourer to write to hosts on WS to ask for accommodation.

However, after I (and perhaps Pieter, too) had already replied, that host then apparently edited his post to explain that he found the request inappropriate for reasons other than credit-card touring.

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I do understand

I get what you are saying but I would also somewhat counter with if I only want cyclists wearing red jerseys and you only wear yellow jerseys and yet you still ask to stay, is it not even a bit inappropriate, sort of akin to a male asking a solo woman host if he can stay at her place when she says only women allowed?  Why waste the Host's time if you already know the answer.  Are you saying it would be OK for a male to ask to say of the woman host who says only women allowed?  If so, why?  Maybe I am missing something.

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First of all, I am a host on

First of all, I am a host on this platform to help my fellow cyclists out. That means that I try to understand their perspective instead of just raging and complaining about them. I know that many tourers feel pressed for time and have limited connectivity, and so they do not read hosts’ profiles much. They simply fire off a volley of requests. So, I think it is perfectly mainstream behavior on this site that a credit-card tourer might miss the profile text, and as many of my own great hosting experiences were with such cyclists who didn’t read profiles much, I don’t want to knock them.

Secondly, even if a cyclist reads Wij’s profile, then I think that many people will not interpret his wording “You are welcome when you are a self suffient [sic] bicycle traveler” as opposing credit-card touring. The cyclist may assume that the host wants only cyclists who do not depend on free accommodation, who are prepared to pay for accommodation elsewhere if they cannot get a host. If Wij wants solely cyclists with camping gear instead of credit-card tourers, I think he needs to say that more specifically.

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We agree and disagree

I agree I am in this to help other touring cyclists, but only to the extent I am comfortable with since it is my home.  I only see you to a certain extent who is "raging and complaining" about others.  Others I would say are frustrated and, usually, rightfully so.  I feel it is rude NOT to take the time to read someone's profile.  After all, they are offering FOR FREE their HOME to a total stranger.  Additionally, since I am not as "anything goes" as you it seems, I would read the profile to ensure I am not going to someone's home I would have a difficult time relating to.  For instance, I would have very little in common, except cycling, with a non-english speaking anti-Christian activist who hates the USA.  If I blindly requested to stay and they blindly accepted, the encounter may or may not be a good one.  I am not saying the above host is bad or immoral, I just strongly disagree with him so why would I ask?  Therefore, yes, I read every profile I consider and I would never "fire off a volley of requests".  Each one is personal to a resonable extent. 

I agree with you 90% on the second paragraph.  Perhaps Wij is not as fluent in English as you and I so Wij may have unintentially been a bit vague.  I don't want to speak for Wij so I will let Wij respond to that part if he feel he needs to.

My overriding point I keep trying to get you to understand Christopher is that almost every time someone "filters" a guest for whatever reason, you come on with a holier than thou attitude on how everyone should accept everyone and if they don't they are wrong.  I strongly disagree with your attitude since it is the host's home and this is not a commercial endeavor.  Ideally, yes,  In reality, no.

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Well, John, I have been

Well, John, I have been heavily involved in hospitality exchange, with hundreds of guests hosted across the networks, for close to two decades now. One thing I have learned is that you simply cannot expect guests to ever change. Even if you try to educate one or two travelers how to be polite or whatever, dozens of other people are signing up for the network at the same time whom you can’t influence. On the other hand, the hosts here on this forum are a fairly small group of people, and so I think it makes sense to advocate that they simply try to understand the cyclists traveling through WS instead of complaining about them, and so they might feel better about the requests they are getting. Also, there is a problem on hospitality-exchange networks with travelers being turned off by the grumpy tone of hosts on forums, which means that those travelers don’t stick around and become hosts themselves, and that is a bad thing for the sustainability of the network.

As for “a non-english speaking anti-Christian activist who hates the USA”, then of course your house, your rules. But I hope you understand that you do not have to interact with your guests to the point that you could even start discussing or arguing about polemical issues. You always have the option to simply show that guest to his room or camping area, and then hint that you would like to be left alone. Many WS hosts do this, especially in rural areas. By doing this, you are still helping to support a network that will take care of you when you are on the road.

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OK, I won't make a request.

OK, I won't make a request. After reading your profile I see that I would not be welcome, not being a "true cycler".

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@ Pieter - who is saying you

@ Pieter - who is saying you are not a true cycler?

We always thought that self sufficient or self contained means people carrying full gear on a bicycle. As so many english natives use this in this forum. 
Annyway we specificly also ask for people to bring there sleepingbag in our profil as this his helpful when sleeping in our place. And if two take a matress as we only have one bed. So thats not vague, Thats not raging that is simply logistic helpful for the guests sleeping at our place.  ;-)

 

 

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Combining your profile with

Combining your profile with what you wrote above, it seems that you are a purist, only considering self-sufficient cyclists (with cooking gear and sleeping bags and tent etc) as "true cyclers and Warmshower users".

Well, I like to eat something better than instant noodles, I like to sample the local cuisine, so I eat in restaurants (or street food etc) paying for that by credit card or cash. So I do not take cooking gear with me. And no tent either. I can afford to do that now.

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Every cycler is a cycler ;-) 

"it seems that you are a purist, only considering self-sufficient cyclists (with cooking gear and sleeping bags and tent etc) as "true cyclers and Warmshower users"."

Every cycler is a cycler Pieter  ;-) 
Yes we do like to host a certain kind of cycler. Those who camp because in our house our guests need a matress (at least one of them) and a sleepingbag. Just like some hosts offer la camping space in the garden and therefore need the guests to brin a tent. The sleepingbag and matress are the specifics of our house and its furniture. But this does not make us  "purists"  "judging that only a certain kind of cycler is a true cycler or a warmshower user"  ..... We clearly ask for this in our profile - we did ask guests to comfirm if they bring a sleeingbag and matress in their request. 

As a multi langual speaking person I tried to cater for all diffrent kind of guests to write our profile in English rather then in Dutch. Then I checked the WF translations in the 6 languanges I speak to check if the meaning was still the same as intented. Of course there are litle nuances which I maybe don't get. O those languages! Maybe I better stick to writing our profile in our native tongue? See how that's interpreted  ;-)

Bye the way, we never cook instant noodles when camping. We do eat very well from our stove. . ;-)

Happy travels, in which ever form you wish to, to you all!

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Every cycler is a cycler ;-) 

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This thread reads like a good political debate

I enjoyed catching up with this thread this morning.  I live on a busy route and have hosted 200+ cyclists.  I find it interesting that someone who has had only 6 verified guests (from the feedback I see) has so much to say about this.

I host on AirBnB as well as WarmShowers.  Over the years, AirBnB has added many requirements.  To keep our Super Host standard, we have to reply to a request withing 24 hours, and maintain high reviews for communication, cleanliness, value and comfort.  AirBnB is now asking that we have a lock box to allow self check in (something we do not want to do as we want contact with our guests).  WarmShowers has none of these requirements.

I understand the difference in hosting styles amongst WS users.  Some people live in remote areas and are happy to help an occasional wayward traveler.  Doors are open and everyone is welcome.  Others, like myself, host in big cities and on big routes.  I get over a hundred requests a year.  We feed most of our guests, take many kayaking if they are here on a nice evening, and have even taken a few to Disneyland.  We have also hosted some who are very tired and just want to eat and get to sleep.  Add that all up, as well as the time I have spend on the Board over the last (almost) 5 years, this experience can be overwhelming!  I host because I am grateful for all who hosted me in the 1980's, and I like giving back.  I try not to host those who "expect" from WS and are just wanting a free service with no intent on giving back.  I have hosted the "takers" and there is a difference.  I am still in contact with many of my guests (and hosts) who have valued the interaction and care to maintain a friendship.

I remind ALL my guests the importance of leaving feedback.  If you can ride a bicycle across different lands and are able to send a request, you can take a moment to leave a brief feedback.  This is a standard of common courtesy that I try and maintain.  

I have seen many profiles with specifics that are important for others to read.  At the end of the profile, they might say, "To show you have read this entire profile, please put the words 'Red Dog' in your text heading", or, "To let us know you have read and understand our requrements, please put the name of a fruit in your text heading."  This is a good way to get your expectations out there.  

By the way, my Board tenure is ending soon. If anyone has a real and strong passion for this organization I would encourage you to apply for the open position.